There's a Debian package for Galeon now, so I installed it this weekend. It's usable. It's kindof slow starting up, and takes a lot of memory; initially there were 5 or 6 processes taking up around 32 megs each according to top, as soon as I fired it up and went to slashdot (but, quite likely those are threads rather than processes, in which case the whole thing was probably taking up 32 megs). Once it's up, at least you can scroll the pages more smoothly than in Netscape. The layout algorithms appear mostly adequate. Tables at tvgrid.com (my usual browser torture test :-) seem to come out wider than in Netscape though; maybe the word wrap is different or something. Opening a new window takes more time than in Netscape. I think I got it to crash somehow, but it's not as delicate as Mozilla. I might actually try to use this on a regular basis, but with the high memory usage and lack of speed, I think its main advantage over Netscape is going to be that it hopefully crashes or hangs less. Another cool thing was that when I started it for the first time, it offered to import my Netscape bookmarks, and apparently did it successfully, too. Even the personal toolbar bookmarks are now the same. I also installed Opera beta 1. Now there's a light, quick browser. It's amazing that it is still light and quick when they seem to be using their own custom GUI toolkit with its own custom pluggable-look-and-feel framework, shame on them. Why can't they just use GTK or QT... anyway it does come up much faster and is generally more responsive. It also has a lot more bugs, and I really don't like the MDI interface. The bugs were kindof severe; things like fonts changing for no apparent reason; on slashdot the main column of articles down the middle of the page would start with one width and font, and then a few seconds later after it had the layout figured out, it would "jump" and resize the widths and change the fonts to the correct ones. Sometimes when revisiting a page using the back button, this change never did take place and it would stay layed out in "rough" form. Even in final form the left column on slashdot overlapped the middle one a bit. Other pages were done partly in one font, and partly in another. In one case this was because I was using

tags between paragraphs instead of the more correct

paragraph text

tags; when I fixed that, the font problem went away. This version is not ready for prime-time, and even when the bugs are fixed, it'll still be quirky. Maybe worth putting up with on a low-end machine though. I'm still trying to figure out what to put on that P90 Thinkpad I posted about here a couple weeks ago. Both browsers have a "zoom" feature, which is a new idea to me, but I guess it's kindof cool. Probably not useful enough to justify putting it on the main toolbar, though. In Opera it's a known bug that it doesn't work correctly yet. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Free long distance at http://www.bigredwire.com/me/RefTrack?id=USA063420