One of the coders I work with now has a BS in psychology. She left that long ago for computers. I don't think she would have been excluded outright without a degree, but it would have been something to overcome. As it was, we just figured she successfully "re-invented" herself. She is a protocol wiz! Alan At 03:16 PM 3/21/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I actually agree with you. My main point was get educated (college or self) >on everything about computers. Hell, if I did it again, I'd go to culinary >arts school. :) > >~Deepak > >On Mar 21 2001, at 12:49, Alan Dayley was caught saying: >> >> In my experience getting a bachelor's degree in SOMETHING will open many >> employment doors that will otherwise stay shut. This is especially true in >> a downturn economy. While I use very little of the actual factual stuff of >> my EE degree on a daily basis and haven't for years, I would not be working >> where I am now at the salary I have now without the paper. >> >> Studies show that when a potential employer picks up your resume to review >> it, he or she will decide in 7 seconds, on average, whether or not to keep >> looking at it. Many times that 7 seconds is spent looking at education and >> certifications. If they don't like what they see, the resume goes to the >> "round file." >> >> In many ways all a degree proves is that you can follow a set of rules. >> But, many employers won't even look at you seriously unless you have that >> blessed piece of paper. >> >> However, YMMV. >> >> Alan >> >> At 11:57 AM 3/21/01 -0700, you wrote: >> >I am going to disagree on one point. You don't necessarily need to get a CS >> >degree. Go to college for something you want to learn, and that you can't >> >easily teach yourself. I got a microbiology degree and after I graduated I >> >was hired as a Unix sysadmin. If you are going to do computers as a job then >> >go to school for it. If computers is your passion and you want to get paid >> >for it, go to school for another one of your interests and gain work >> >experience (school help desk, etc). Just my opinion though and I am sure >> >that many will disagree. >> > >> >Joel Dudley >> >Unix System Administrator >> >DevelopOnline.com >> >---------------------------------------- >> >"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the >> >story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is >> >about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, >> >he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for >> >centuries." >> >- Dr. Robert Jastrow, Founder Goddard Space Flight Institute >> > >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Deepak Saxena [mailto:deepak@csociety.purdue.edu] >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:07 AM >> >To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us >> >Subject: Re: Advice >> > >> > >> > >> >My opinions (which i will probably get flamed for) >> > >> >1) Get some cheap hardware and start learning how to do things on your >> > own as was mentioned before >> >2) With those skills get an entry level job somewhere >> >3) Save money and get a degree in CS, but while getting a degree in CS >> > make sure you take some classes in low level stuff like architecture. >> > Or if a full college degree is not what you're interesested in, just >> > take the relevant classes or pick up a book. The key is don't >> > just learn how to setup a network and a web server, etc, learn how >> > this stuff works. >> > >> > Why step 3 you make ask? b/c IMHO having a good understanding of >> > how computers work from top to bottom instead of just how to >> > use the tools to do the job will let you do your job much better. >> > It will also make you much more flexible down the road and I >> > think it makes it easier to pick up new technologuies. >> > People may disagree with this, but I have seen enough IT people >> > (both Windows and Un*x) who have NO CLUE about how computers actually >> > works that I would highly reccomend as much as you can about >> > computers, not just high level networking stuff. >> > >> >~Deepak >> > >> >On Mar 21 2001, at 10:02, Tyler Hall was caught saying: >> >> Greetings, >> >> >> >> I need your guy's advice, I'm hoping to get into the field of networking >> >in the near future. Such as, managing a school or a company's network. >> >I'm going to school right now at Chandler-Gilbert Community College, to get >> >this stupid degree in "Microsoft Networking" I think it's a waste of my >> >time and money. I'm looking for someone that is in that field, and would >> >be willing to tell me, what steps I should take. I currently just graduated >> >from high school, so i'm still young. Any advice would be helpful. >> >> >> >> Please reply privately, so we don't disturb the public list :) >> >> >> >> Tyler Hall >> >> >> >> "Goddam it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow >> >me!" >> >> - Captain Henry P. "Jim" Crowe (Guadalcanal, January 13, 1943) >> > >> >-- >> >Deepak Saxena - deepak@csociety.purdue.edu - phone://602.790.0500 >> > >> >Code Monkey, MontaVista Software, Inc. - THE Embedded Linux Experts >> > >> >call me 'evil' call me 'tide is on your side' anything that you want >> >anybody knows you can conjure anything by the dark of the moon >> > - Tori Amos, "Suede" >> > >> >________________________________________________ >> >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post >> >to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> > >> >Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us >> >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> >________________________________________________ >> >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't >> post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. >> > >> >Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us >> >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> > >> > >> /------------------------------------------ >> |Alan Dayley www.adtron.com >> |Software Engineer 602-735-0300 x331 >> |ADayley@adtron.com >> | >> |Adtron Corporation >> |3710 E. 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