I just installed Mandrake 8.0. So far I like what I see in the new KDE. Kmail is much improved, especially with the better support for foreign character sets. (In my case I need KOI8-R for Russian.) Konqueror is excellent so far. The media player, noatun, crashes on me constantly, though, when I try to play .wav files. The older version didn't. Wonder what's up with that? -- Mandrake 8.0, K Desktop Environment 2.1.1