I like the part about needing 5 years of experience with Win2K and other operating systems that haven't been out that long. It reminds me of a few years back when I was seeing job listings for "Senior Java Developer - Must have 8-10 years experience with Java programming in an Enterprise environment." But you do make an interesting point. I think that those of us in this industry have been WAY overpaid for quite a few years now. As the carnage from the dot-com bubble settles, I'm guessing that salaries will shrink back down to a more reasonable level. ~M On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, George Toft wrote: > Hi Ray, > > From what I've seen/heard lately, companies are moving to this new > model: > > Admin Wanted: > Certified Sun System Admin, MCSE, CCNE, CNE. Requires 5 years > experience in Windows 2000, Solaris 8, HPUX 11.0, Novell 5, Cisco > Local Director, TCP/IP, PPOE, DNS, SMB. Will be responsible for 50 > server production farm. 40 hours/week plus carry pager 24/7. Pay > $35-40K/year DOE. > > It's called "consolidation." > > Two things will happen: > 1. After an unemployed person with these qualifications, who was > making $150K, starts getting hungry, the position will get filled. > > 2. After these positions go unfilled for a while, the companies > will revise their expectations and accept what $35K will buy, or > they will come up on their pay. > > George > > > "Raymond P. Biondolino" wrote: > > > > Ken, > > > > My name is Ray and I have included a > > link in this e-mail to my resume page on > > my website. But before you bother > > yourself with that, I just want to > > comment on something. > > > > I've been in this business a long time > > (translation: I'm an old man) and while > > I feel I have probably half or better of > > the skills you are requiring for this > > position, it just amazes me at the grand > > total of skills presented here. I > > command what I think is a fair price for > > my skills, but if I had the complete > > skill set you've put down here I would > > have to think I'd be worth twice what I > > ask for now. And it really would > > surprise me if you pay that much. > > > > My point is this... What would a > > position like this pay provided you > > actually found someone to meet ALL those > > requirements? > > > > I'm just curious! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray > > > > Resume page: > > http://130.13.112.229:8080/Tech/Misc/res > > ume/default.htm > > > > P.S. I excel at drinking Mountain Dew > > and eating pizza!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Toft > > [mailto:george@georgetoft.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:28 AM > > To: James_Yaple@mindspring.com; > > dblev@qwest.net; carieburgess@yahoo.com; > > wes@lonerock.com; > > r.dabbs@worldnet.att.net; > > integrationengineer@home.com; > > devander@qwest.net; > > djjaflower@hotmail.com; > > kristenchaseford@yahoo.com; > > briangibbs@home.com; phred@dancris.com; > > ibra65@go.com; ben42_us@yahoo.com; > > liz.jones@honeywell.com; > > philkaplan1@earthlink.net; > > leifheit77@aol.com; > > lundbergjackie@hotmail.com; > > jcmarean@home.com; infodrop@qwest.net; > > cynthiapinsky@hotmail.com; > > jeffp@jeffp.com; raypursley@qwest.net; > > saric41@home.com; rcrc001@hotmail.com; > > admdavid@home.com; ct85202@hotmail.com; > > george@georgetoft.com; > > s_urie@hotmail.com; > > naadp@uae-internetworking.com > > Subject: JOB: Network Engineer > > > > Subject: > > [Fwd: Jobposting: Network > > Engineer Position Available] > > Date: > > 16 Aug 2001 23:39:10 -0700 > > From: > > Ken Bowley > > Reply-To: > > > > plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > To: > > PLUG Discuss > > > > > > Hello everyone! > > > > I've moved my PLUG folder off to a > > different file, and I'm going to > > attempt to start over fresh and keep up > > a little better this time. > > > > Now the real reason I'm writting this > > message is because I've been asked > > to put a job posting in here, so here it > > is: > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > --- > > Opnix, a VC-funded startup distributed > > Internet routing intelligence > > company, located in Tempe, Arizona seeks > > hard-core Network Engineer. > > > > If you want to work on the cutting edge > > of Internet technologies - > > reinventing the Internet while working > > long hours on challenging > > problems in a complex and ever changing > > environment with other top > > engineers (along with excellent benefits > > plus stock options!) then > > read on... > > > > Education / Exprience: > > * A minimum of 4 years experience. > > * 4 year college degree in Engineering > > or computer Science preferred. > > > > Skills required: > > > > * Individual must be motivated, > > ambitious, and responsible. > > * Must be very fluent with all aspects > > of BGP4. > > * Experience with WAN and LAN > > technologies including SONET, BGP4, > > OSPF, VRRP, 10/100/1000 Ethernet, > > switching, routing, multihoming, > > peering, VLANs, ACLs, OSI Layers 1 - > > 7, etc. > > * Experience with OC48, OC12, OC3, DS3, > > and T1 WAN circuits, as well as > > fiber, UTP, and coax LAN/MAN > > connectivity. > > * Experience with Internet and Telecom > > network infrastructure design, > > deployment, and troubleshooting. > > * Knowledge of SNMP, DNS, HTTP, FTP, > > SMTP, and other server-side > > protocols and systems. > > * Experience with Foundry/Tiara/Juniper > > Networks equipment. > > * Ability to have fun! > > > > Optional/Helpful skills: > > > > * Experience with Linux, *BSD, and/or > > UNIX systems and networks. > > * Routing/Switching protocol design and > > development. > > * Experience with Tier-1 Telecom Carrier > > networks. > > * Experience with data centers and/or > > colocation facilities. > > * Abilty to consume pizza and large > > quantities of Mountain Dew. > > > > Please email your resume (in plain-text > > ASCII format) to > > jobs@opnix.com, please include a list of > > skills/experience, salary > > requirements, and state the position for > > which you are applying. > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >