I am mostly an embedded systems programmer but I also have responsibility for Windows stuff too. As such, I get some of the MS e-newsletters. This link caught my attention in the Office XP newsletter today. It appears MS is pushing education as a big market: http://www.microsoft.com/office/ons/backtoschool.htm To sell MS products to the education market, they are educating the market. They are offering free half-day "seminars" all accross the country. http://www.microsoft.com/education/default.asp?ID=WestRegion Phoenix event is Sept. 21st. Friday morning. 2929 N. Central. http://msevents.microsoft.com/events/USA/ENU/detail/ED101805416.htm (I could not get to the description of the seminar. It was a VBScript link and Konqueror didn't know what to do with it. I will have to fire up Windows and go get the description.) These are the very things we need to be doing. "Free seminar on FREE software tools for schools." Alan