Hi, Craig. Remember that umask is a negative mask -- it turns OFF the specified permission bits. (I think -- oh, always get confused when I deal with this.) Umask interacts both with chmod and with the mode you specify when you create the file or directory. It is used right-justified, as any numeric value would be, so: 022 denies write permission to group and world; 0775 denies all permissions to owner and group and gives ONLY write permissions to world. So I don't think you'd want to use this. Read about umask in 'man bash' and also look at 'chmod'. You use a .forward file to activate procmail -- I forget how. After that the rc file will come into play. Good luck, Vic