This is for all your oldschool linux kids who enjoy security.. Solar Designer, the guy who writes the openwall kernel patches for linux has been working on a new distro of linux called Owl (Openwall linux). The neat thing that seperates this from other linux flavors is that it has BSD-like make buildworld and make installworld built in, either from CVS, binary package or source. It also has RPM support for redhat RPM's and is security minded. Its definatly a 'from-scratch' distro as it doesnt come with 7 thousand CD's of extra things. :) Just though I would mention it. I have it running it at home and it defiantly kicks ass for server related things. www.openwall.com Troy Moniz