This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17917.0363DED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I find this list to be very low traffic. Not only that but a great deal of the traffic is good info. As Blake says other lists are much higher traffic, I normally process 10 - 20 x the amount of traffic this list generates. I have not looked but perhaps this list offers a digest format that might be more palatable for you, less mail and easier to delete. Cheers, Davidm > -----Original Message----- > From: Blake Barnett [mailto:blake.barnett@developonline.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:16 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: "JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it down? > > > This list is extremely low-volume compared to other lists I'm on. > > linux-kernel being a great example. It's rare that I receive > less than > 300-400 messages per day. > > I find most of the conversation on this list acceptable, the rest, I > simply ignore. If I tried to read every message of every thread of > every mailling list I'm on, I'd become catatonic very quickly... > > Sifting through the detritis to find the gems is what being > on the 'net > is all about, ain't it? > > > On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 12:49, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > I have to at least partially agree that this list has too > much noise on it. At times I've wondered if my subscription > was changed from Linux User Group to Lets bash MS group. I > would include in the noise my own thread of @home possible > shutting down and all the Qwest bashing others were doing. > Eliminating these kind of posts would reduce the daily > message count from 40-60 down to about 15. Just MHO. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sm [mailto:sm@vis.nu] > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:24 PM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: "JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it down? > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, John Mosier wrote: > > > > > Can't we keep the NOISE on this list down. This JABBER > is ridiculous! > > > > > > NONE of us is interested in the explanations. AZIPA > rules are better > > > than the PLUG rules.There are two regular posters whose > postings ALWAYS > > > process the RE: as attachments. > > > > > > > > > I am considering dropping my subscription to the list > because there > > > is so much JABBER and NOISE on the list that the useful stuff is > > > totally drowned out by excessive posting by people who > have nothing > > > constructive to add. > > > > > > There are two regular posters whose postings ALWAYS process > > > with attachments. > > > > > > Rather than cluttering up the list with jabber related > trolling, it might > > be more appropriate to ask if there's a announcement > related mailing list, > > or something along those lines. Most organizations have one. > > > > Since there's a lot of crosstalk between organizations > around here, as you > > yourself point out, it makes some sort of sense that the > PLUG list, which > > is the most general and least Official[tm] list of these > organizations, > > have a lot of the jabber that is an unavoidable side effect > of this form > > of communication. > > > > This is the reason I have PLUG in it's own folder, as I > have AZIPA, AzPHP, > > ASULUG, and the apparently 4,000 other Arizona related free > software/open > > source mailing lists I'm on filter into their own seperate boxes. > > Surely, if it were not for Procmail, I would be dead. I would have > > drowned in the stream of babble. Hooray for procmail. > > > > A complaint was raised against this person in a public > forum. They should > > be allowed to respond in kind. Do I really care? No. How > long would it > > take me to delete the post? Yea, about three seconds. > > > > Now, I may be going against the grain here. More people > may think that > > this is a problem rather than just an unfortunate side > effect. In which > > case, perhaps a seperate 'plug-useless' mailing list could > be set up, or > > perhaps a completely different form of communication, such > as IRC, or more > > appropriately, a Jabber server. :) > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- > Blake Barnett (bdb) > Sr. Unix Administrator > DevelopOnline.com office: 480-377-6816 > > "Do, or do not. There is no try." --Yoda > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17917.0363DED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: "JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it = down?

I find this list to be very low traffic. Not only = that but a great deal of the traffic is good info. As Blake says other = lists are much higher traffic, I normally process 10 - 20 x the amount = of traffic this list generates.  I have not looked but perhaps = this list offers a digest format that might be more palatable for you, = less mail and easier to delete.

Cheers,

Davidm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blake Barnett [mailto:blake.barnett@dev= eloponline.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:16 = PM
> To: = plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: "JABBER" on the list = Can't we keep it down?
>
>
> This list is extremely low-volume compared to = other lists I'm on.
>
> linux-kernel being a great example.  It's = rare that I receive
> less than
> 300-400 messages per day.
>
> I find most of the conversation on this list = acceptable, the rest, I
> simply ignore.  If I tried to read every = message of every thread of
> every mailling list I'm on, I'd become = catatonic very quickly...
>
> Sifting through the detritis to find the gems = is what being
> on the 'net
> is all about, ain't it?
>
>
> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 12:49, Tom Achtenberg = wrote:
> > I have to at least partially agree that = this list has too
> much noise on it.  At times I've wondered = if my subscription
> was changed from Linux User Group to Lets bash = MS group.  I
> would include in the noise my own thread of = @home possible
> shutting down and all the Qwest bashing others = were doing. 
> Eliminating these kind of posts would reduce = the daily
> message count from 40-60 down to about = 15.  Just MHO.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sm [mailto:sm@vis.nu]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:24 = PM
> > To: = plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: "JABBER" on the = list Can't we keep it down?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, John Mosier = wrote:
> >
> > > Can't we keep the NOISE on this list = down.  This JABBER
> is ridiculous!
> > >
> > > NONE of us is interested in the = explanations.  AZIPA
> rules are better
> > > than the PLUG rules.There are two = regular posters whose
> postings ALWAYS
> > > process the RE: as = attachments.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am considering dropping my = subscription to the list
> because there
> > > is so much JABBER and NOISE on the = list that the useful stuff is
> > > totally drowned out by excessive = posting by people who
> have nothing
> > > constructive to add.
> > >
> > > There are two regular posters whose = postings ALWAYS process
> > > with attachments.
> >
> >
> > Rather than cluttering up the list with = jabber related
> trolling, it might
> > be more appropriate to ask if there's a = announcement
> related mailing list,
> > or something along those lines.  Most = organizations have one.
> >
> > Since there's a lot of crosstalk between = organizations
> around here, as you
> > yourself point out, it makes some sort of = sense that the
> PLUG list, which
> > is the most general and least Official[tm] = list of these
> organizations,
> > have a lot of the jabber that is an = unavoidable side effect
> of this form
> > of communication.
> >
> > This is the reason I have PLUG in it's own = folder, as I
> have AZIPA, AzPHP,
> > ASULUG, and the apparently 4,000 other = Arizona related free
> software/open
> > source mailing lists I'm on filter into = their own seperate boxes.
> > Surely, if it were not for Procmail, I = would be dead.  I would have
> > drowned in the stream of babble.  = Hooray for procmail.
> >
> > A complaint was raised against this person = in a public
> forum.  They should
> > be allowed to respond in kind.  Do I = really care?  No.  How
> long would it
> > take me to delete the post?  Yea, = about three seconds.
> >
> > Now, I may be going against the grain = here.  More people
> may think that
> > this is a problem rather than just an = unfortunate side
> effect.  In which
> > case, perhaps a seperate 'plug-useless' = mailing list could
> be set up, or
> > perhaps a completely different form of = communication, such
> as IRC, or more
> > appropriately, a Jabber server. :)
> >
> > -Sam
> >
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________= _____
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if = your
> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you = use Netscape to
> write mail.
> >
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  = PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-= discuss
> > = ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if = your
> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you = use Netscape to
> write mail.
> >
> > PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  = PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-= discuss
> --
> Blake Barnett (bdb)  = <blake.barnett@developonline.com>
> Sr. Unix Administrator
> = DevelopOnline.com         &= nbsp;       office: 480-377-6816
>
> "Do, or do not.  There is no = try." --Yoda
>
> = ________________________________________________
> See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if = your
> mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you = use Netscape to
> write mail.
>
> PLUG-discuss mailing list  -  = PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-= discuss
>

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