Having ignored most of this thread I will jump in here an spout up and probably be way off base. :) When I saw thread about 'FTP', the first thought that came to my mind was WHY run FTP. As security of FTP is ouchie, but I thought, I will keep my holy wars out of this and not respond. After reading this post, I thought I would say.... "One should never 'flame' it does neither party good". On the other hand I think that some of the 'old' timers should help people understand the risks of their actions is a 'controlled' manner. Sometimes its a mindset thing. Most people would say well I NEED ftp. I have found that seldomly is it REALLY necessary, you just have to change your way of thinking. So in a round about way, I agree with more than one party here I guess. :) I think that we were all green behind the ears at one point, and regardless of how many times one has been the round block or not been around the block we all deserve respect. :) On that note, I think we owe it to those that come after us to 'explain' rather than flame the reasons we have the 'opinions' we do. Just thoughts. :) -derek