1. I'm still wondering how, when plug.phoenix.az.us got broken, Brian managed to redirect that site's traffic to Mybutt. 2. If I go to http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/ there are links for the lists "plug-presents" and "flamewars". There are no links for plug-devel, plug-discuss, plug-announce or NPO. The feature to list all the groups I'm in works nicely. Doesn't Mailman maintain the "listinfo" page automatically? Are those groups that don't appear on the listinfo page configured as non-publicized groups? 3. What is "plug-presents"? It says it has something to do with the Plug Presents project. Apparently it was the beginning of the NPO effort. Last traffic almost a year ago. 4. Observation: When I joined the flamewars list, that made four (visible) subscribers. Last traffic almost two years ago. That would be a good list to go to, if I plan to make a really big fool of myself. 5. For the past several hours, until just now, if I went to http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-devel and submitted my e-mail address with the "Edit Options" button, I got "disconnected by remote host" after a long wait. But now it's working OK. Vic