This is just one of my rambling follow-ups as I document my Linux adventures (at least the problem ones) on the list. I still have not solved this problem completely. With some help from an Australian (email is soo coool!) I fixed some settings and got pilot-xfer to work with my Visor. For those that don't know, pilot-xfer is a command line utility for getting stuff in and out of a Palm device. Well, that proved that the hardware is good and the drivers work. But, I still have the same hanging problems with the KDE applications. KPilot just will not get past the initial "sighting" of the Visor and then the daemon goes to lunch. I have now updated to kernel 2.4.9-21 and KDE 2.2.2-2 as provided by RedHat's up2date program. A few nice tweaks to the KDE but I can't talk to my Palm. Maybe it is time to try jpilot or something else. I haven't given up on the K apps yet. I'll have to find the time to tackle it some more. BTW, if anyone has any hints about solving this one, feel free to chime in! Alan