On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: >OK, help me out here. What does CLEC and ILEC stand for? Competitive Local Exchange Carrier (i.e. Global crossing, XO, level3) Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier (i.e Qwest) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Kloian" >To: >Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:42 PM >Subject: Re: Broadband provider > > >I firmly believe in deregulation, but the boom in the CLEC market and >their practices seem to have been a death sentence. Its really funny, >take a voice T-1 for example. Qwest is forced by the federal tariffs and >the Arizona Corporation commission to sell it at a certain price, however >MCI and AT&T or any other CLEC can sell it for upto 35% less than the >ILEC and they do all the time. Now granted the CLEC losses money on every >deal, but they figured they get vertical sales from the customer. this >has been going on for some time. Plus the CLEC's by billions of dollar of >service from each other. this looks good on the books, but the minute one >decalres bankruptcy everyone suffers as a result. this is what we are >seeing happen right now. When Global Crossing declared bankruptcy they >force XO to right off 7.35 billion on their books, obviously that hurt and >is one of the reasons XO is about to file chapter 11. > >In the end this shakedown will probably be a good thing, but we'll more >than likely be stuck with one ILEC until some new players pop up. >Hopefully the business practices will change slightly. > >/*************************************************************************** >*/ >/ >/ >/ John Kloian III VP Network Operations >/ >/ Opnix, Inc. http://opnix.com >/ >/ >/ >/ .Innovating Internet Intelligence. >/ >/ >/ >/*************************************************************************** >*/ > >On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Digital Wokan wrote: > >>Some days you get the feeling breaking up Ma Bell was a pointless >>excersize. We'll get back to having only one provider for land lines, >>but with wireless being what it is, that provider will claim they have >>competition to avoid regulation and then promptly proceed to rape its >>customers. (Kinda like a software company I know up in Redmond.) >> >>John Kloian wrote: >>> >>> It is not official but the rumor is out there. There was a special >>> session of the shareholders this afternoon. Some insiders I know >>> mentioned that there was going to be a motion to ask Joe Nochio to step >>> down and then they were going to announce the impending bankruptcy. From >>> what I can gather if they do go ahead with the filing they will allegedy >>> sell off their 14 state ILEC business to someone and chapter 11 the rest >>> of the operation. (SBC seems like the most likely candidate for >purchase, >>> but who can tell) >>> >>> Again, none of this is official in any way, but people who would be in a >>> position to know have passed this information along. I have also heard >>> the same things from other sources over the past week. >>> >>> >/*************************************************************************** >*/ >>> / >/ >>> / John Kloian III VP Network >Operations / >>> / Opnix, Inc. >http://opnix.com / >>> / >/ >>> / .Innovating Internet Intelligence. >/ >>> / >/ >>> >/*************************************************************************** >*/ >>> >>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: >>> >>> >First I've heard of them in bankruptcy. When did they file? Also, I do >not >>> >believe they were the ones slamming LD service, it was Sprint and MCI, >two >>> >companies I will have nothing to do with. They are also not the only >one >>> >giving out info. I have a letter on my desk right now from Farmers >>> >insurance saying I need to mail it in to opt out of the same info >sharing. >>> >No phone or web site available. >>> > >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: "Vaiod" >>> >To: >>> >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:59 AM >>> >Subject: Re: Broadband provider >>> > >>> > >>> >Much like the others Qwest is on the Bankruptcy list. Not to mention >>> >the many lawsuits pending on their bad business practices (selling >>> >customer data, slamming customers LD service). >>> > >>> >On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 17:00, Tom Achtenberg wrote: >>> >> My company uses Qwest with no problems. I also had no problems with >the >>> >> Qwest VDSL service. Why do you say to avoid them? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Vaiod" >>> >> To: >>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:10 PM >>> >> Subject: Re: Broadband provider >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I would suggest AT&T or XO, they should be able to get you what you >>> >> need. I don't know how much fiber is available in Mesa though, you >may >>> >> have to contact COX or MCI. I would steer clear of Qwest if at all >>> >> possible. >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 11:55, Mark Astrauskas wrote: >>> >> > My company is looking to start hosting web pages and >>> >> > possibly offer some ISP services and we are in need of >>> >> > a company that can provide this. We are going to need >>> >> > the connection to go to the location of our business >>> >> > (in Mesa). Can anyone recommend a company that can >>> >> > offer this sort of service? All I've been told about >>> >> > the requirements is it needs be somewhere in the T1 or >>> >> > even DS3 range. >>> >> > >>> >> > -A.P. 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