Well actually there is one product I remember seeing at Fried Electronics (Baseline location) for several hundred dollars that did every thing firewall, proxy, web server, mail server, etc.. Has any one here ever tried out one of these all in one appliances? Sorry I can't remember the name of it now. -Ryan -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Dallas Helquist Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 4:04 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Router-Gateway-Firewall solution for less than 150?? Others have stated this already, but here it is in one email: If what you are looking for is strictly a firewall (something to block/filter incoming and outgoing traffic), you should look for something that does only that. Adding other things to this "firewall" - no matter how convienent they may be - is just asking for trouble. Ever wonder why the big vendors don't sell firewall products that are also the company mail/web/file server? They aren't stupid. Now, the above rant aside...most home users want more functionality from their firewall device than just packet filtering. I use mine for web, email, samba etc. It's a dual 133 with a few nics in it - total cost including hub was $40.00US. I put redhat7.2 on it, cleaned up the rc3.d directory, set up a simple iptables ruleset. Instant firewall, albeit not very secure. I also don't run anything behind it besides my home machines..and everything there is easy to recover. Windows has some alternatives as well that I have seen used with a fair amount of success: wingate - www.wingate.net internet gate - www.maccasoft.com/igate/ And there are more, though most seem to work around via being a proxy or transperant proxy. I believe that e-smith does this as well - transparently proxies everything through squid. Anyways - good luck. -dallas ________________________________________________ See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss