Here's an intriguing question. Symptoms in bullet list: o Two days ago I installed a RH7.2 system, with "medium" firewall protection selected o There was a problem ... couldn't get out to the net. (DHCP problem.) So I reinstlled with no firewall. o Still a problem. Turned out to be a bad ethernet card. Replaced it. Problem solved. Did not reinstall or tweak firewall. o Meanwhile I've been using telnet without problems, because it was never shut off. o I'm now reviewing a process document that shows how to enable telent, assuming it's off. I cd to /etc/xinetd.d and there is *no* file called telnet. I expected it to be there, but disabled. o I created it by hand, with telnet enabled. o Stopped and started xinitd. Now I find: - telnet localhost gives me Connection refused - telnet somewhere.onthe.net works Any guesses why? Lynn David Newton Phoenix, Arizona