I finally stopped procrastinating and this evening upgraded my system from Red Hat 7.1 to 7.2, and in the process bit the bullet, dove headlong into sawfish, and abandoned Enlightenment forever. It took me a couple of hours, but I finally got it doing everything Enlightement was doing, in some cases better, with a couple of minor exceptions I suppose I'll figure out sometime down the road. One question I have for this group is: are tear-off menus a function of the window manager and not the desktop manager? Evidently so, because I had them in Enlightenment, and don't now that I'm running Sawfish. I do use that feature from time to time. Any comments? -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ