David is absolutely correct. The answers are almost always available in man pages or on the net somewhere. I just get lazy knowing that I can pop a question in here and get an answer off the top of someone's head within minutes, sometimes. In my original request that began this thread, I did confess my lazyness. It was such an obvious question I would not have been able to claim that I had researched and failed to find the answer. Better to confess lazyness then look a fool, I say. I did get an answer and the help I sought. PLUG comes through even for lazy folk! Alan On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:30:44 -0700 "David A. Sinck" wrote: By and large, you get much better response from a user community (mailing list, irc, news) if you come in saying: I've rtfm'd, tried X, Y, and Z, and cut twice and it's still too short!