Am 16. May, 2002 schwätzte Eric Richardson so: > DB-9 to RJ-45 on the computer and then a RJ-45 rollover to the router? Ooops. I totally got ahead of myself on this. Sorry. I create straight through and crossover db9s and then have crossover, rollover, etc. rj45 couplers. It requires two ethernet cables, but since I carry those anyway, that's not a prob. It would probably degrade gig e connections, but thus far I've not needed to hook up anything beyong 100Mb. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose (tie) away. - der.hans