Tom Achtenberg wrote:

>I agree the RH problem is management.  KDE's web site doesn't name him but does state the a RH employee makes the rpm's on his own time.  
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>I believe it is 1.3 Java that I have installed.  At least the up2date says my system is 100% up to date (in their eyes anyway.)  I have iso's from Mandrake from early April.  ver 8.1 I think.  Does Mandrake have anything like the up2date service?  If so I may go that direction this weekend.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kurt Granroth [mailto:kurt@granroth.org]
>Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:02 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: Re: Crappy Products Cost More!!
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>On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58 pm, Tom Achtenberg wrote:
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>>Would you settle for a product that is 70 to 80% complete?   How about if
>>they left off one tire on your car?  Bernard's attitude is a horrible
>>example of bad customer service.  (If what you report is accurate.)
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>To cut Bero a bit of slack, he creates the RPMs on his own time (mostly).  
>RedHat gives him next to no support internally.
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>Not that that excuses RedHat at all...
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>As for your java issues with Konqueror, it depends on what version of Java 
>you are using.  You need java 1.3 or better (the IBM version works great 
>for me).  Java support in the upcoming 3.1 (not due until this Fall) is 
>*much* improved over the 3.0.x series as well.
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mandrake has mandrake update. It seems to be fairly good, i have been 
running 8.2 for about a month and a half and my system is current.
Ray