IMHO, a sepectacular win at this meeting would be if they agree to do a test installation of some kind. All they have to do is try it out and they will see that it works. Matt's experience at New Vision and other similar stories would be excellent examples of something they could try. A lower key win would be to have some of the IT staff want to try it on their own box, or a secondary one. At least I would hope some of them would be willing to learn more about Linux by participating with us at meetings and so on. Alan