Install OpenOffice.org 1.0. No command line required. It has yet to crash on me. On a 200MHz Pentium, 128MB RAM, KDE 3.0, Red Hat 7.3. I use it several times a week to read and edit MS Word and Excel files I get from people producing them with MS Office (2000 and XP) tools. Once, on a complex vendor quote, it reproduced the file with 2 graphic lines out of place. Utterly smooth otherwise. However, I agree that a great many apps on Linux do still require a command line. OpenOffice.org 1.0 is proof that this is improving. Alan At 04:44 PM 7/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >Here's an exercise for you (one that was imposed on me >this week): help a Windows user step through some >operations, such as installing a new program, without >EVER asking them to type a shell command. It was a >sobering experience, and it reinforced the opinions >I'm expressing here. > >Note that my friend is a highly experienced systems >engineer who is not in the slightest afraid of the >command line, has a longstanding and healthy dislike >for Microsoft, and is acutely aware of the need to >support Free Software; but he was there to test the >desktop, and the desktop fell flat on its face. > >Vic