-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 July 2002 04:44 pm, Victor Odhner wrote: > Here's an exercise for you (one that was imposed on me > this week): help a Windows user step through some > operations, such as installing a new program, without > EVER asking them to type a shell command. It was a > sobering experience, and it reinforced the opinions > I'm expressing here. This depends on your distribution. There are many excellent graphical tools for most common tasks. Yes it is a fragmented "market", but that is the purpose of a distribution. Lycoris, Mandrake, Suse (?), Lindows, Xandros (and I'm sure there are others) all dedicate a significant effort on behalf of the casual user market. I guess what I am trying to say is that the problem is being examined. Can a casual user sit down and do anything they want without reading a manual? No, but the answer is the same no matter which OS you are looking at. In the end, a computer is a general purpose machine and we are still trying to decide what is "best" for the user. You say the "desktop fell flat on its face", but I think you meant to say that it does not behave in a similar manner to Windows. That is certainly a valid opinion, but distributions exist to deal with the "transition market", as well. ;-) - -- Logan Kennelly ,,, (. .) - --ooO-(_)-Ooo-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9N1urpNoctRtUIRQRAtPPAJ4tIo4fhvvGqFrN1R3WHheNY6jYbQCffeP2 HjWdtt4RIe5xjrQXngc6j4U= =Nvuj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----