JD Austin wrote: [snip] > Not to say there aren't some 'paper MCSE' people out there :) Clueless > people don't last long.. they're soon promoted to management where they > can do the least amount of damage. I wish that were true - the least amount of damage, I mean. I think they do more damage. I had a tech lead that most people thought was a project manager because he didn't know anything technical. I made the mistake of laughing at one of his stupid ideas. He was quite offended, and 3 days later I was notified that I was no longer necessary. A month after I left, their systems were experiencing severe outages, and people were saying "That would have never happened if George was still here." George -- Irrefutable fact about projects: You can have it Quick, Cheap, or Right - pick any two. What does that tell you if your project is ahead of schedule and under budget?