> If Red Hat wants to > standardize a Linux desktop, they might as well call themselves MS > Linux. Interesting that this statement would be on the list when there are still a few kicks left in the "OE6 doesn't handle signatures" debate of the last few days. The main complaint in that thread was that because Microsoft "invented" their own standards and didn't go with someone else's, they were bad. Now Red Hat wants to standardize a desktop, help everyone work well together, and the first in line to bash our "commercial" leader is ... *ominous drum roll* the linux community itself. Standards are not bad. Closed standards are an oxymoron. The thing here with Red Hat is this: you have a choice. If you don't like having cross-library compatibility, and out of the box support for as much as they can cram into that little $60 box, don't support the distribution. I get this feeling that half of the innovation in the Linux market (and lets face it, making things 'dummie-easy' when it comes to Linux is an innovation) seems to be dealt with based on the whether or not Microsoft has been successful in that particular arena. If they have, then the "innovator" is said to be in league with those damned dirty apes of hell, "and they might as well be MS Linux" and only a public sacrifice upon the Altar of Linus will make them clean in our eyes again. If instead it is an area where Microsoft has tried and failed, then they are the crowned princes and shall be lauded in the Halls of Binary for at least a commercial break, until something better comes along. And watch out if its something Microsoft hasn't tried yet, that set of developers could only akin to gods themselves for all the praise they will get. Perhaps until someone thinks of a connection between them and the horrible beast of the Northwest. The knee-jerk reaction to hating Microsoft is lame at best, and damaging at the worst. The majority of people in this country (and yes I am being US-centric here, because its the only culture I can speak for) want their computer to just WORK! If they wanted it to be hard, they would go down to the basement bin and fish out Redhat 2.0 and no one would ever upgrade except with code they wrote themselves. WRONG! People hate having to reboot all the time, but they hate even more not being able to get ANYTHING done between those reboots, even more frustratingly if those reboots are weeks apart. OpenOffice is great for this, but how many times have we heard about the "waste of time supporting .Doc format." If you are the new kid on the block you have to learn the rules to all the other kid's games or they will kick your ass and call you a dork. .doc is how they play baseball on this block, ladies and gentlemen. Evolution is great for this. Search your email logs or slashdot for "Ximian Connector is ANTI-OPENSOURCE!!!" Exchange is how they play Hopscotch on this block, better learn the rules. Samba is great for this. How many gigabytes of bandwidth have been wasted on "Why are you using Samba, just switch to Linux and use NFS, its works better." Samba is how you play hide-and-seek here, folks. Learn all the rules, play all their games. Then, after you know all the games they play, you can raise you hand and say "since I am such a good person, and I know all the rules to your games, let me introduce you to my new game. Do I rock or what?" Then when they all believe that you can make up great new games, you tell them about how all their games suck and you have them wrapped around your little finger. Unfortunately, I will get blasted as a MS supporter and Linux hater because making everyone think that your games are the coolest is "such a M$ thing to do", I might as well call myself "Kyle Gates" Kyle Faber