-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

LOL, yeah Gentoo is great if you like recompiling every single day!  Every day 
I get two to three emails on Bugtraq about gentoo.  I guess thats the price 
you pay for the latest and greatest software.

On Friday 18 October 2002 14:52, J.Francois wrote:
> There is a way to simplify some of the very issues you have described.
>
> Try Debian:
> http://www.debian.org
> apt will make you very happy.
> Be advised that cutting edge is not what Debian is about.
> It is all about stability.
>
> I'd like to introduce you to Beastie:
> http://www.freebsd.org
> I have done FreeBSD upgrades from 4.5 to 4.7 and security patches in
> between with a lot less effort than doing RedHat and it is just about as
> easy, if not sometimes easier, than Debian. I maintain 3 FreeBSD servers
> from a single CVSUP/Ports local tree with NFS and it's *easy* and scalable.
>
> Distros like Gentoo http://www.gentoo.org are a good hybrid cross ( from an
> admins view ) of Linux and BSD when it comes to package management and
> upgrades.
>
> <IMHO>
> I still think that Lindows and Apple have the best design for end user
> non-business non-commercial consumer support for upgrades with a simple
> Fischer-Price interface the typical user knows and loves.
> Microsoft runs a close second.
> </IMHO>
>
> Good Luck and don't give up just yet.
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 02:12:37PM -0700, Phil Mattison wrote:
> > As I expected, lots of folks disagreed with my assertion that
> > too many updates are a bad thing. I agree that updates are essential
> > for some users, and would not suggest eliminating them.
> > Still, there are many users for whom the only updates are new
> > releases of Windows. That happens once every couple of years,
> > and that is too often for some. We may look down our noses at
> > such illiterati, but they still represent the bulk of the consumer
> > market. What I would like to see is a level of ease-of-use closer to that
> > offered by Windows. I just bought a copy of RedHat 8.0 to upgrade from
> > 7.2, but I suspect I will have to start from the disk partition step and
> > repeat the entire install and configuration process, which is much harder
> > than with Windows, even if you know what you're doing. I know I could
> > upgrade the kernel and each little piece every time a bulletin comes out
> > about some new security vulnerability, but not every update is necessary
> > and its a pain in the @$$ to be tinkering with all the time. Its like
> > having a car that needs a tune-up three times a week. I think RedHat and
> > the other major commercial
> > distros have the right idea, but just don't go far enough. Maybe
> > I should just stop whining and accept the fact that using any OS
> > is a recipe for exponentially increasing complexity. That's why
> > we get the big bucks, right? ;-)
> > --
> > Phil Mattison
> > Ohmikron Corp.
> > 480-722-9595
> > 602-820-9452 Mobile
>
> --
> Jean Francois - JLF Sends...This sig is not RFC-1855 compliant!
> Getting Facts - $35:
> http://www.winface.com/blurb.html
> Getting Certs - $40:
> http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=1214021
> Getting Published - Priceless:
> http://www.informit.com/isapi/authorid~{6AD44647-E752-4CAB-B911-D3246F294DB
>A}/authors/author.asp My Resume: http://www.magusnet.com/resume.txt or
> http://www.magusnet.com/resume.pdf "Tell them we are not Gods, but UNIX
> Admins, which is the next best thing." You're right. There is no I in team.
> It's just me and a little t & a... "The future is here; it's just not
> evenly distributed yet." - William Gibson
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change  you mail settings:
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQE9sPtQzFstip5OIqgRAkEyAKDSwL65RqXFtIU8l+WJO2NRw6AdHgCgm0SC
Z5sy2VJHAh40OYEp+3xqzVQ=
=0uMK
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----