I've never done an "upgrade" of a running Linux system, and have found that even with Windows its better to start from scratch than to put "new wine in the old skin," though MS seems to do a passable job of it provided there is no serious pathology in the existing system. It would seem RH can't afford quite as extensive a validation process before new releases, and understandably so. Still, if the price of a shrink-wrapped Linux distribution is similar to that of Windows, it is reasonable to expect a similar level of quality control. Just because they collect every piece of GPL software they can find and throw it into the box doesn't excuse sloppy work. I probably will keep the 8.0 bundle and install it when I have time to start from disk partition, but I'm not looking forward to it like I was. So... what will historians say about the Open-Source movement, that it was the dawn of a new age of enlightened self-interest, or that it was the 90's techno-geek version of the hippie "free-store" idea from the 60's? Peace, dude. -- Phil Mattison Ohmikron Corp. 480-722-9595 602-820-9452 Mobile