Sorry for (a) responding a few weeks late and (b) top posting. I guess I have to thank Dan, because DOL hired me to join their Platform team last March, so I suspect I got the position he refused. While I knew DOL was in for a rough time, I thought it was worth the effort (considering I had just been laid off from my previous job). From what I was told during the interview, we would make whatever a customer paid for available. I knew that my primary project would be to make the CE stuff (which I hate, but left on my resume anyway), and it was. However, I was not forced to run Windows on my desktop -- I did, but only because I was used to using Cygwin and the like. In fact, no one cared what I ran. I was told I could dual boot or use spare PCs however I wanted (i.e, install whatever OS) to maximize my productivity. For the record, I got to work on a C/assembly embedded product which used TCP/IP as an interface (i.e., not Windows-dependent) and got to propose a free-Unix-based network simulator as well the CE project, so I consider that DOL met their promise that I would not work only on Windows. If they had lasted, building that would have been awesome. Despite how it ended, I don't regret taking the job. It was a known risk, but in this economy, every job is. --Alaric 12/20/02 2:09:04 PM, Daniel Wolstenholme wrote: >I interviewed there in early 2002, but the impression I got as >an interviewee was that it was an all-MS shop as I never saw >Linux anywhere, and when I asked about it I was only told about >its use in target systems. All the desktop systems I saw were >MS, and I was told that all the host systems were MS using >Citrix Metaframe. My resume intentionally had no mention of any >MS products on it, but the people in my interview seemed more >interested in whether I'd be willing to learn WinCE than >anything Unix-based. I was told that customers wanted Windows >and .NET, so that's where they were going. Considering that the >Dice.com ad for the position seemed very pro-Linux, I felt >rather deceived at the interview when I found out how big a >priority Windows was. This was one of the main reasons I had >for rejecting the job. > >The other was that they had burned through 3 rounds of funding >without becoming profitable, and told me that they only had >enough funding to last till November. Guess the 4th round >didn't come through. > >The unsubscription thing turned out to be an issue with how I >receive my email (the system automatically unsubscribed me) and >is fixed now. > >Dan > >David Mandela wrote: >>Sorry Daniel, >>You are incorrect about DevelopOnline not being a Linux shop. >>Most of our infrastructure was Linux. Now that was not the case >>when I started there in 2000 but by mid 2001 most of the MS >>servers had been but away. > >>Yes the marketing folks thought that the .NET push might help >>save the company but the .NET push was only a marketing ploy. >>We never switched back to a MS shop. > >>We did have some MS units, could not avoid it, but even in the >>.NET site the most of the entire back end was run with Linux >>and a bit of Novel. The only place we ran MS products was where >>my Sysadmins could not find/install a suitable OS replacement. > >>At the desktop level we had mostly Windows desktops, though we >>did have a mix of Macintosh, Linux, and FreeBSD desktops too. >>Those were in the development area though none of the executive >>staff or marketing staff used anything but Windows (with the >>exception of myself, I've been running Linux as a desktop since >>1997). > >>Daniel I don't actually remember you though, perhaps Ron the IT >>manager interviewed you. Could be once I hired Ron I stepped >>back from most of the interview process. > >>As to your unsubscription I doubt anyone did that, at least in >>relation to anything you said about DOL. I know I can't and if >>I could I would not bother, I am equally sure that Hans could >>not be bothered either. DOL was a good idea that died too soon, >>someone will do it again when there is money to do it with. > >>Cheers, >>David Mandala >>Ext. CTO/VP Engineering DevelopOnline.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com >--------------------------------------------------- >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > >