OK, I just updated from 7.3 to 8. So far, good. I 'rpm -e' the mysql rpm's that were 3.53 and ... [root@rotor root]# rpm -i /home/pete/Downloads/MySQL-shared-3.23.55-1.i386.rpm package MySQL-shared-3.23.55-1 is already installed [root@rotor root]# rpm -i /home/pete/Downloads/MySQL-client-3.23.55-1.i386.rpm [root@rotor root]# rpm -i /home/pete/Downloads/MySQL-devel-3.23.55-1.i386.rpm [root@rotor root]# rpm -i /home/pete/Downloads/MySQL-3.23.55-1.i386.rpm Installing all prepared tables 030206 19:55:47 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Shutdown Complete PLEASE REMEMBER TO SET A PASSWORD FOR THE MySQL root USER ! This is done with: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'new-password' /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root -h rotor.byerlyelectric.com password 'new-password' See the manual for more instructions. NOTE: If you are upgrading from a MySQL <= 3.22.10 you should run the /usr/bin/mysql_fix_privilege_tables. Otherwise you will not be able to use the new GRANT command! Please report any problems with the /usr/bin/mysqlbug script! The latest information about MySQL is available on the web at http://www.mysql.com Support MySQL by buying support/licenses at https://order.mysql.com Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql [root@rotor root]# /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'new-password' /usr/bin/mysqladmin: unable to change password; error: 'Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database 'mysql'' [root@rotor root]# /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root -h rotor.byerlyelectric.com password 'new-password' [root@rotor root]# /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'new-password' /usr/bin/mysqladmin: unable to change password; error: 'Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database 'mysql'' [root@rotor root]# /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root -h localhost password 'new-password' /usr/bin/mysqladmin: unable to change password; error: 'Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database 'mysql'' [root@rotor root]# As you can see, I tried the first with the error I got, but the 2nd that had the host ID'd was ok. Then I tried to use localhost, but that didn't do it either. In webmin I can see the 2 databases, but I can't get access. Suggestions please! Thanks pete