On 16 Feb 2003, Derek Neighbors wrote: > Those that have met him in person of course dislike him for other reasons. > Bottom-line: RMS is a genius who "is-a" computing Guru. Quote from Robert Pirsig (Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance): It's not the "nice" guy who brings about real social change. "Nice" guys look nice because they're conforming. It's the "bad" guys, who only look nice a hundred years later, that are the real Dynamic force in social evolution. Here is a picture Stallman took when he visited Arizona during October 2001. He didn't want the picture because I was going to copy the image from my camera to a Windows machine. I-17 Sunset Point Rest Area north of Phoenix. http://deru.com/~gdt/images/SunsetPoint.jpg According to Ed Yourdon, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is a great "computer" book. http://www.yourdon.com/articles/Heller.html G.D.Thurman [CS/CIS Instructor] Scottsdale Community College