Normally, the *.0 quirks are something I've been able to deal with. That 
was when I could tell RH to do what I wanted it to do. I'm probably 
gonna ditch the kudzu. It's been sorta fine so far'ish - but when I know 
my hardware, no guessing is needed and I like to be able to go in and 
set up my hardware and not have the software mess with the settings - 
which is what quirked me off here. They've changed everything up with 
the CDR setup and seemingly forgot that some people add such devices 
after the fact of install. However, unfortunately, RH has entered the 
number-game - everything from now on is going to be a *.0. "8.1" is 
going to be 9.0. Seems that not enough people were purchasing their *.0 
products prefering instead to wait til the *.1. So, either everything is 
going to be a typical *.0 (pass the aspirin please), or we can assign 
shadow version numbers to it - 8.1=9.0, 8.2=10.0, etc... :)

I finally got the CDR to work - felt like a poodle in a freaking circus 
jumping through flaming hoops. That's the price we pay for "ease of use" 
- which is probably pretty even across the board for the major distro's 
- the pros/cons reviews I've seen leave none of them clearly ahead of 
the pack. Been eyeballing Slack again, tho...but I've been with RH since 
the early days and even though they've changed things up, so have 
everyone with Linux's sudden fame. Grub is yet another change...it's 
just a pain to learn one way and suddenly have your distro change tracks 
totally. I got used to it doing what I told it to. That's what I hated 
about Microshaft. Quirks - so far, RH's CD player is a bit hosed - CDDB2 
crashed often and the player doesn't loop, modem-lights is a bit hosed 
and has to be manually tweaked, CDR is a lot hosed for after-the-fact 
installs, NVidia drivers have to be redone every kernel upgrade, and a 
ton of other little insignificant stuff. The only major farting I had 
was with the blasted CDR - the howtos and documentation for all the 
other quirks were pretty much dead on, give or take, but *none* of the 
documentation was even close with the CDR and it took serious 
head-banging to get any headway with that. I don't post here often 
because the documentation for just about everything is good. But darned 
if the CDR didn't screw the pooch. That shouldn't be so for such a 
common item - but I guess the testers already have CDR's installed and 
didn't think about what would happen if one were installed later. But 
then, this is free software after all - if software ain't draining my 
wallet, then it's putting head-shaped dents in my wall. :) Now...all the 
non-desktop stuff is top-notch - I love iptables and all the neat toys 
and servers. Just, I've been using this as my primary desktop for 
something like 6 years and have so far been very happy with it...until 
they started changing things suddenly.

Cheers,
Mike

David Mandala wrote:
> If one does not like the hardware probing in Red Hat go into the init
> scripts and turn off kudzu and that problem is gone.
> 
> As to grub if you don't like it go back to lilo. I've been using grub
> for quite a while and I prefer it. No more running lilo after building a
> new kernel and modify lilo.conf Just edit grub.conf and you're done.
> 
> As I've said in earlier posts, I don't recommend .0 releases from Red
> Hat, thats where they test new stuff and many times get it wrong.
>