George Actually, I think that faulty software HAS killed people. I've heard of at least one case (possiblly two) in which X-ray-like machines malfunctioned due to software and a few patients were give overdoses, which I think was fatal in some cases. I also heard that the company was not sued because of their EULA. Unfortunately, I don't recall the name of the device or the company or the specifics, but I'm pretty sure I read this in an online article. If anybody out there has the specifics, let me know. (Or if I later remember where I read it, I'll post the link.) Anyway, it's ironic because all medically-related software goes through a very stringent certification processes with the FDA. Does this mean they were not stringent enough, or that, as I like to argue, that the government isn't competent to determine issues like medical product safety? I just don't think professional licensing works. We've all heard the horror stories of totally incompetent doctors and lawyers being shielded from public scrutiny by the medical boards that were supposed to be disciplining them. There was an outcry, and many state agenencies (especially Arizona's notoriously inept Board of Medical Examiners) have become much stricter, but how long will this last? Private, third-party voluntary certification is a better idea. While no system is perfect, this would give the public some measure of protection without giving the government power to restrict competition or stifle innovation. And I'd bet my last dollar that free software would be one of the first things to go under a system that licensed software developers. Vaughn On Sunday 25 May 2003 03:08, you wrote: > This is a glimmer of the future, and the source of my rant for wanting > software "engineers" (now they call themselves developers) to go through > stringent licensing, just like real engineers and architects. > > We've already seen how a BSOD shutdown a Navy ship's propulsion system. > If this were in battle, the results would be horrific. > > How long will it be before faulty software kills people? > > George