I do not mean this to turn into the age old war about how worthless certifications are. I would be interested, however, in seeing how you all think we can weed out the morons. Moron: A consultant from a Top 5 consulting firm modifies a web application for the client and uses invalid HTML. When brought to his attention (after the delivery date, of course), he asks what's wrong with it? I guess he never read HTML for Dummies, much less the RFC's. Moron: Same Top 5 consulting firm, different consultant: When modifying the Java code, he compares string values using an "=3D" instead of the equals.string method, resulting in a ton of errors. Moron: Enterprise Java Architect didn't know what a getter nor a setter was. This genius must have slept through Java 101. George -- = Discover . . . | Free Computer Security Information <=B7=B7=B7> Secure | http://www.georgetoft.com/security Networking | = @http://georgetoft.com | Lock your box - keep your affairs private! Darrell Shandrow wrote: > = > Hi George, > = > Playing the role of the devil's advocate here, we know that certificati= on > and licensing assures nothing. On a basic level, well, I was hit by a = truck > six years ago while crossing a street on foot; the driver of that truck= was > licensed! On a more directly relevant subject, I have seen many many > "certified" people (CCNA, CCNP, MCSE...) who also didn't know what the= y > were doing! > = > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > A+, CCNA, Network+! > Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu= 7i > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Toft" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: (Fwd) [IP] MS Windows Crash Traps Thai Politician in Car > = > > This is a glimmer of the future, and the source of my rant for wantin= g > > software "engineers" (now they call themselves developers) to go thro= ugh > > stringent licensing, just like real engineers and architects. > > > > We've already seen how a BSOD shutdown a Navy ship's propulsion syste= m. > > If this were in battle, the results would be horrific. > > > > How long will it be before faulty software kills people? > > > > George > > -- > > Discover . . . | Free Computer Security Information > > <=B7=B7=B7> Secure | http://www.georgetoft.com/security > > Networking | > > @http://georgetoft.com | Lock your box - keep your affairs private! > > > > > > AZ Pete wrote: > > > > > > Thought you guys would like this humorous (albeit worrisome) articl= e. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > ------ Forwarded Message > > > From: "Robert J. Berger" > > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:31:11 -0700 > > > To: Dewayne Hendricks , Dave Farber > > > > Subject: MS Windows Crash Traps Thai Politician in Car > > > > > > Crashed Computer Traps Thai Politician > > > Updated 14 May 2003 > > > http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2003/n051301.shtml > > > > > > Thailand's Finance Minister Suchart Jaovisidha had to be rescued to= day > from > > > inside his expensive BMW limousine after the onboard computer crash= ed, > > > leaving the vehicle immobilized. > > > > > > Once the computer failed, neither the door locks, power windows nor= air > > > conditioning systems would function, leaving the Minister and his d= river > > > trapped inside the rapidly heating vehicle. > > > > > > Despite the pair's best efforts, it took a full ten minutes before = they > were > > > able to summon the attention of a nearby guard who freed the two me= n by > > > smashing one of the vehicle's windows with a sledgehammer. > > > > > > A report (http://www.bangkokpost.com/Business/13May2003_biz12.html)= > > > published in the Bangkok Post indicates that the vehicle was Mr > Jaovisidha's > > > own BMW 520 which was being used while his state-supplied Mercedes,= was > > > being repaired. > > > > > > BMW's more up-market 7-series range uses a computer system called > i-drive > > > which has Microsoft's WindowsCE at its core > > > (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/Mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp= ). > > > > > > Did Mr Jaovisidha narrowly miss being killed by the blue windscreen= of > > > death? > > > -- > > > Robert J. Berger - Internet Bandwidth Development, LLC. > > > Voice: 408-882-4755 eFax: +1-408-490-2868 > > > http://www.ibd.com > > > > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > = > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss