Aw hell, I have no problem routing my mail through their smtp servers. Now, when that whole process ends up delaying the delivery of my mail, then I will be upset. What I see more benefit from is having them open 25 going the other way! I had loads of uses for that ability until they shut me down....I am able to skirt the port 80 issue by running on something higher, but can not find a similar solution for smtp (e.g run mail on a higher port?). my 2 cents. -mike