On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 12:01, Chris Gehlker wrote:
> On Jan 13, 2004, at 9:27 AM, Craig White wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 09:08, Chris Gehlker wrote:
> >> On Jan 13, 2004, at 7:40 AM, Bill Lindley wrote:
> >>
> >>>  I'm reading Eric Raymond's "Art of Unix Programming" now, it
> >>> definitely shows the technical reasons why the Unix Way is better...
> >>> and those *do* come out at the user end of things.
> >>
> >> ESR is certainly a very smart, interesting and thought provoking guy
> >> but he is also very often wrong. Take what he says with a grain of
> >> salt.
> > ---
> > Are you content to just shoot from the hip here or did you care to give
> > meaning to this by illustration?
> 
> I certainly don't intend to be cryptic. It's just that so many have 
> reviewed Mr. Raymond's prognostications in general and "The Art of Unix 
> Programming" in particular that that I have little to add. I'm sure a 
> little googling will provide all the illustration that anyone could 
> want.
> 
> I will give a few examples off the top of my head:
> 
> The obvious one is that he made very public predictions that MS would 
> be bankrupt by now. He had a nice argument built on the premise that 
> consumer level computers would break through the $1000 barrier, that 
> therefore Windows would become too significant a part of the total cost 
> of the computer, that one computer retailer would move to Linux, that 
> the cost advantage would force the rest of the industry to follow suit.
> 
> Well the price of consumer PCs did fall below $1000, Lindows did go on 
> sale at Wal-Mart, but it has yet to drive Dell and HP to the wall.
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I don't see this prediction in the book - can you give me an idea of
which chapter this is or does this prediction exist somewhere else
outside of that book?
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> 
> Another illustration is that at one point in the book he seems to 
> realize that the general lack in *nix of some single standard for 
> program automation corresponding to COM and it's descendants is a real 
> problem. There are several competing technologies from bonobo to that 
> KDE thingee to XML/RPC and the result is that end user programs on *nix 
> aren't  written to support automation the way that programs on Windows 
> are. So Raymond seems to 'get it' there but he doesn't draw the obvious 
> conclusion that until Unix in general has a substitute for Visual Basic 
> it will not receive serious consideration from some businesses. In 
> fact, it needs a VB Clone to be at all workable for many businesses.
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all OS's could use a vb clone - it is one of Microsoft's better efforts.

Craig