I've seen it mentioned enough I though I'd post instructions on getting the archives again. `wget http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/2004-January.txt.gz` This will get you the archived messages for Jan 2004, substitute month and year and you can get whichever you want. Use 'zless' or 'zgrep' to browse or search the file. It ain't perfect but it's better than nothing. Bart