Agreed, Chris. For those of us interested in educating people on computers, though, this opens up a neat education path. When I read this I kind of felt like I found my glasses on the tip of my nose. First get people using Bash with tty display; then when they find their limits in dumb-terminal only, get them using X with a very dumb twm, so they get their graphics when they type commands into the terminal; then when they're comfortable with this, let them use KDE/Gnome. Then after those four weeks, watch the light bulbs go off! And watch them turn off all those KDE popups! It's the same path we all had. I think this article shows that this kind of path may be necessary, to kind of build a more robust trellis. They may not learn everything to the same degree we do, but that's their choice. It's ours to show the way, and this might be a better way to do this. We might be hurting more than helping by starting and ending in GUI only. I'm introducing my wife to HTML in vi. She's doing okay, but there was some confusion with the terminal in a window. Even when I showed her a Konqueror window with the same file list, it wasn't clear for some time. Starting with the terminal without the X might have been easier. --Alexander --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss