Well, I guess we have all seen that I am off my rocker... Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss- > admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Bryce C > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:11 PM > To: PLUG > Subject: RE: AMD64 > > That is incorrect. AMD's Opteron line is targeted for server use. The > Athlon64 is Opteron's little brother, aimed at the desktop market. > > On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 08:35, Earl, Alex C wrote: > > This is the problem with communicating over text methods, I didn't mean > > to diminish the AMD64 bit processor, I was trying to examine the > > difference between the Opteron and the Itanium. We must also qualify > > here that Opteron is geared towards desktop users, whereas Itanium is > > geared towards server usage. In some respects it is like comparing > > apples and oranges, some not. My main point was that the 64-bit > > instruction set that Itanium uses is different from the 64-bit > > instructions set that Opteron uses. I don't know how I got on the topic, > > but there you go. > > > > Alex > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > [mailto:plug-discuss- > > > admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of plug > > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:45 AM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: RE: AMD64 > > > > > > What I was getting at is that the Opteron is a "true" 64-bit > > processor, > > > just as the Itanium is a "true" 64-bit processor. The Opteron has a > > > full 64-bit mode of operation, along with various compatibility modes. > > > The Itanium only operates in 64-bit mode, and must emulate 32-bit > > > execution, if I am not mistaken. I just thought it was funny that a > > guy > > > with an intel.com address said something about how AMD64 processors > > are > > > "just a 64-bit extension set to the IA32 architecture" as though it > > > makes the Opteron any less of a 64-bit processor. AMD is taking the > > > same approach that Intel took from 16 to 32-bit processing, with their > > > move from 32 to 64-bit processing. And in fact, Intel is apparently > > > going to take the exact same approach to the move from 32-bit to > > 64-bit, > > > themselves. > > > > > > The preceding has been my opinion and understanding of the facts, > > please > > > let me know if I am mistaken... > > > -Erik > > > > > > >>> alex.c.earl@intel.com 04/16/04 7:08 AM >>> > > > That is what I understood as well, perhaps I am wrong. I do know that > > > the 64-bit instruction set they use is just an extension to the 32-bit > > > as 32-bit is to 16-bit (again I guess I could be mistaken but this is > > > what I understood). The Intel 64 bit Itanium is a different > > instruction > > > set (which fixes some of the problems with IA32 instruction set). > > > > > > That is what I meant by extension, extension to the instruction set. > > > > > > Anyway... > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > [mailto:plug-discuss- > > > > admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of David Huerta > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:47 PM > > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > Subject: RE: AMD64 > > > > > > > > From what I understand, the AMD64 chipset is basically two 32-bit > > AMD > > > > chips sandwiched together to act like a 64-bit dual-processor-ish > > > system. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > + David "Huertanix" Huerta > > > > + DeVry Linux User Group > > > > + http://www.devrylinux.org > > > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, plug wrote: > > > > > > > > > AMD64 chips process 64-bit data and instructions, do they not? > > > > > -Erik > > > > > > > > > > >>> alex.c.earl@intel.com 04/15/04 1:23 PM >>> > > > > > The Itanium processor is a true 64-bit processor, whereas the > > AMD64 > > > (if > > > > > you are referring to Opteron) is just a 64-bit extension set to > > the > > > IA32 > > > > > architecture. > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- > Bryce C > CoBryce Communications --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss