Bless you. I'll give this a try. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "JD Austin" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Re: restore > Quoting fhdavenport : > > > That's a terrific lever having the fixes and the alternatives available. > > You're right about the number of boxes that are not updated. How do you get > > the updates without having to install them? I'm tired of spending days on a > > dialup connection just to do updates. It makes me cranky. The thumbdrive > > thing also worx for AOL customers that have to reload and don't have a CD. > > > > Frank > > > With mozilla/whatever to this url: > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en > Download them to a directory, and you can burn that to a cd. > > I broke them down to versions of windows, ie win98, winME, win2000,winXP. > Some patches fit more than one though, like Sasser (A-E) Worm Removal Tool > (KB841720). I renamed a lot of them to make their names more meaningful. > Windows-KB841720-ENU-V3.exe doesn't exactly stand out as Sasser (A-E) Worm > Removal Tool. > > If Wine ever gets to the point where any windows app will work it would be cool > to have an 'ultimate windows patch utility' that removes windows and installs > linux with wine and uses their old windows install as a starting point to give > them their apps/etc. (Yeah, Im dreaming here...). > > JD > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JD Austin" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:27 AM > > Subject: Re: restore > > > > > > > Quoting fhdavenport : > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I had a similar experience with the sasser worm and a friend's machine > > > > running Windows XP. I went to the Symantec site and pulled the sasser > > fix in > > > > an executable file. This costs nothing and is a fairly quick download > > 'cause > > > > the files are small. You just have to have the bad guy identified as > > the > > > > files are specific to the virus/worm. Then before you run the fix, turn > > off > > > > the Restore feature. That got it. > > > > > > > > If the folks in trouble cannot access the web, I pull the fix and put it > > on a > > > > thumbdrive or a floppy, (if they have no USB). > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > That's what I've been doing for our clients. > > > Our web hosting clients call us with virus/worm problems and as a courtesy > > I > > > started adding windows updates to our 'client CD'. They just have them pick > > up > > > a new one. I have standard directions typed up to give them for how to use > > > > > 'shutdown -a' to prevent their machine from rebooting/etc. I also include > > > mozilla and a bunch of other open source tools on the cd and gently > > *nudge* > > > them to use them. Nothing like a virus hit to convince someone to run > > mozilla > > > as their default browser/email client ;) > > > > > > Having a CD with windows updates on them also makes loading new machines > > easier > > > since I don't have that 24 hour downloading session for windows updates. > > > > > > It's amazing how many people DON'T do normal windows maintenance. When I > > went > > > to a client's business last week they hadn't defragged in 455 days and > > hadn't > > > ran scandisk in 90 days. Though other than keeping up with updates on > > Linux > > > you don't have to do either of those things :) > > > > > > People that say windows is easier than linux have never had to talk a > > > grandmother through fixing her mouse problems without using a mouse. There > > are > > > keyboard shortcuts (tab, ctrl-esc, shift F10, etc) but getting that across > > over > > > the phone is frustrating. > > > > > > "Hit ctrl-esc, arrow down to My Computer, shift-f10, > > > select properties, use the tab key to select the tabs at the top, > > > use the arrow keys to select hardware, tab down to device manager, press > > enter. > > > Use the arrow keys to get down to Mice and other pointing devices, > > > hit the right arrow to expand the menu, down arrow to your mouse. > > > Tab until you've select the tabs at the top. > > > Arrow over to the driver tab. Tab down to Uninstall and press > > > enter, tab to select enter on the windows that popped up...." > > > > > > After 15 minutes to explain control - escape, 5 minutes to explain that I > > mean > > > the tab key and not the letters t-a-b, I have only one thing to say: > > AAARGGGH! > > > The costs to administer windows in large organizations must be huge. > > > Give me a *nix box with SSH any day. > > > > > > JD > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jeremy C. Reed" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 5:54 PM > > > > Subject: Re: restore > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 10 May 2004, Craig White wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't recall seeing anything like that in the distro's that I've > > > > > > worked with. This is mostly unnecessary since the the two reasons > > for > > > > > > this feature are to overcome virus damage or installation damage > > where > > > > > > an older dll overwrites a newer dll. Even Windows has implemented a > > > > > > method to keep the overwrites from occurring now. > > > > > > > > > > I rarely touch Windows, but in-laws (who used NetBSD and then Linux for > > a > > > > > year before buying a new computer) needed my help. > > > > > > > > > > They had the sasser worm. I followed the instructions (so I thought) > > at > > > > > the Microsoft.org website. I did a Windows Update and chose yes to > > update. > > > > > Then it suggested I needed to restart the system. > > > > > > > > > > So I did. > > > > > > > > > > The system failed to come back up and was missing a DLL. My mouse moved > > on > > > > > a blank screen but nothing else was shown. Booting to safe mode didn't > > > > > help. Then my Windows friend suggested that I boot using "last known > > > > > configuration" and it worked. > > > > > > > > > > I still had the sasser. Many processes starting faster than I could > > stop > > > > > them. Anyways, I manually removed the binaries, removed some registry > > > > > startups with regedit, and turned on the Xp firewall. All is well now, > > I > > > > > guess. > > > > > > > > > > For Linux, this couold probably be easily done a couple ways: > > > > > > > > > > - backup all configs in a tarball (that is dated) > > > > > > > > > > - backup all system commands and libraries > > > > > or alternatively: > > > > > - have a list of installed packages with exact version numbers and > > > > > packages readily available > > > > > > > > > > Then to recover to last known configuration have a script that backups > > > > > broken configuration and overwrites with new. > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose that if you had a corrupted 'package' on Linux, you could > > do > > > > > > something like 'apt-get -f install package' to put the original > > binaries > > > > > > back in place. > > > > > > > > > > dpkg can output a list of packages installed and can use same list to > > > > > install. (But --get-selections doesn't seem to have package versions.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeremy C. 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