Full disclosure - I have no college degree. My first IT related job was in (1990 when I was a sophmore in high school) and I have worked in the field ever since. I have (thus far) never experienced what I would consider difficulty in finding or keeping a job in Information Technology. I have worked in higher education for the last seven years where it has been my experience that there is an even greater value placed on degrees than in the corporate world where I spent my previous ten years. I'll go ahead and chime in here, not because I don't value or appreciate the perspectives of Joshua or Carlos, but rather because I believe that there is another piece of the equation that we are missing. In our discussion of certification, degrees, and how to prepare for doing what you most want to be doing, the most important part of the equation, is you as an individual. Each of us is unique with our own talents, capabilities and experiences and the onus is on you as a seeker of employment to showcase what makes you unique and valuable. One cannot underestimate the value of a degree in any professional field. Simply put, it is and always has been a very easy and convenient yardstick by which to measure an individual's ability to learn and synthesize information. The problem lies in the fact that all degrees are not equal and even differing degree programs within individual institutions can have quite a bit of disparity between covered curriculum. I agree with Joshua that completing a degree program shows a level of commitment to oneself and to one's chosen field of study. However, I also agree with Joseph. An individual's degree matters far less to me than the qualities and character of the person holding it, or not holding it as the case may be. I have met a number of highly educated individuals who were terrible at applying the knowledge they had acquired to real world problems. That said, it is nearly impossible to make a qualitative judgment about a person's character or qualities without a significant time investment. This is time you simply don't have when you are in the middle of a search for a prospective employee. This is one reason why quantitative measurements such as degrees are so valuable. They are not however, the only way to succeed. Another way to succeed without a degree in your chosen field, is through accomplishments. A well documented record of success. Successful individuals find inspiration in the work that they're doing because it is something that they enjoy thinking about. They look for areas in which things are not as good as they could be and try to find better solutions to the problems they are trying to solve. They work hard to educate themselves in as many ways as possible about how things work in their chosen field or in how other people have solved similar problems in the past. And then, this is the important part, they apply their gained knowledge as well as their inspiration to create something better than what existed before. By doing this over and over again, you gain experience and confidence in yourself and your abilities. Degrees have value and are important. Experience and applied knowledge have value and are important. Neither necessarily represents the whole picture. What someone knows is less important than what someone is capable of learning and then able to apply. The most valuable employees are not the ones who know how to solve your problems today. They are the ones who are capable of looking forward and trying to solve the problems you are likely to have tomorrow, as well as capable of finding solutions to the unforeseen problems that always crop up from time to time. My advice would be to not worry about the next bubble. Find something you're passionate about. If that's security, or health care technology or whatever it is, then do that and be the best that you can be in your chosen field. Best of luck to you. Anyways, My 0000 0010 bits Micah DesJardins --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss