moin moin, Microsoft hasn't come through on what patents are being used because once they do it will be shown that Microsoft is wrong about the patent use ( invalid patents, patents not actually being used, etc. ) or the Free Software community will work around the patents. Maybe software patents will even finally be thrown out. Software patents aren't valid in Europe, China or India[0], so the Microsoft claims is holding back the US economy and ceding an innovative advantage to other countries. The purpose of patents is to keep others from using the patents. Microsoft not saying which patents are being infringed interferes with the Free Software community removing any offending code. The Free Software community tries to abide by copyright and patent law. Microsoft has been sued multiple times for specific copyright infringement[1]. It needs to list specific patent infringements or stop whining. "Microsoft's explanation is that this balancing payment was calculated as it would be in any cross-licensing deal: Novell has valuable network-computing patents that Microsoft products may infringe, and since Microsoft's products bring in so much more revenue than Novell's, Microsoft owed a balance.[2]" Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer says, "What's fair is fair.[2]" Interesting phrase from the CEO of a company that 1) has been convicted multiple times of illegally maintaining a monopoly[3], 2) has successfully sued multiple times for copyright infringement, 3) admits it has infringed on patents from others. And, of course, groklaw already has something better than what I can come up with[4]. Gotta love, "4. What kind of companies threaten to hurt you if you don't pay them protection money? Do you want to do business with that type of company? Can Microsoft risk that inevitable reaction?" [0] Any other countries that should be listed? What countries do allow software patents? [1] Anyone got a list of the copyright infringement suits m$ has lost? [2] http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/index.htm [3] Anyone got a list of the specific convictions and a listing of how they've [4] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070513234519615 ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.CiscoLearning.org/ # veni, vidi, wiki - I came, I saw, I documented --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss