Thanks Dazed for response. I recently found the trash folder that you mentioned. I had done a find search for Trash* and did not get any returns, but had a fascinating list of files. It took quite a while to run. Lots of stuff to learn about. In the meantime in a fit of pique I logged onto windows and found either a file or folder (forget exactly which) that was holding my undeletable files. Windows shift delete axed them. When I logged back onto Linux the files were gone. I am speculating that because I did not delete the files correctly the /mnt/hda5 folder went weird in assigning permissions since it was being accessed through the desktop trash folder. I yet to take the time to experiment with it. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss