On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:29 PM, James Mcphee wrote: > Hmm... Whether or not the story is real doesn't really affect us one way or > the other. sure it does. If it is believed that we need to resort to fabricating evidence in order to make our claims, that puts everyone who uses OSS in a bad light. -jmz > I believe we can all agree that the action taken in this > possibly fictitious account is not a good example of how to advance the FOSS > cause. > > In the discussion, though, it seems that people have seen problems with > educators needing educating about the alternatives to MS. Does anyone know > any good material that doesn't speak down to the lay-person? I've found > that most people, and cash-strapped educators particularly, are open to new > information if presented in a non-threatening and non-confrontational > manner. > > MS dumps billions into advertising with little to counter it. It's no > wonder the average joe/jane has a skewed perception of history and their > current options. I think having a simple response to someone spouting the > MS tagline would be beneficial to the cause. Something like "Please visit > intelligent-sounding-site-name.com if you want to hear the other side of the > story." I've looked a bit, and most of the FOSS propoganda can best be > described as erudite and at worst, rabid. Does anyone know of a good site > that can be referenced to ejumacate folks? > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold >> wrote: >> > >> >> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700 >> >> From: jjzeidner@gmail.com >> >> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> >> Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean wrote: >> >> > >> >> > On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made >> >> >>>> up >> >> >>>> just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having >> >> >>>> now! >> >> >>>> :) >> >> >>>> Just smells a little fishy to me... >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I was thinking the exact same thing. >> >> >> >> >> >> Same here... the story seems very fabricated. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Could be. But the "believe me because you're dumber than me" attitude >> >> > that >> >> > the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite >> >> > real, >> >> > and a >> >> > problem that many of us suffer from. >> >> >> >> well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating >> >> this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart. >> >> The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by >> >> some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real >> >> names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't >> >> make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this >> >> propagate through the net, so I have my doubts. >> >> >> >> -jmz >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates >> >> > are >> >> > poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and >> >> > relate >> >> > to. >> >> > That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid >> >> > regardless >> >> > of >> >> > the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why >> >> > they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on >> >> > what's >> >> > good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're >> >> > doing. >> >> > >> >> > alex >> >> > >> > >> > Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls! >> >> awesome picture. I wonder if those things are genetically related to >> Furbys. >> >> an interesting thing I've noticed in recent years is that 'troll' >> has come to be used interchangeably with 'someone who doesnt agree >> with me'. >> >> -jmz >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > James McPhee > jmcphe@gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss