Excellent insight!! ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Jim March <1.jim.march@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Jim March <1.jim.march@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 3:17 PM > Yesterday I attended a court hearing > that in my opinion, directly > relates to this thread.  Let me tell you about it. > > At issue was the proposed destruction of paper ballots from > a 2006 > Pima County bond election that "smells fishy".  I > won't go into all of > the details but...it doesn't look right.  The state > attorney general > had recently grabbed these same ballots and hauled them up > to Phoenix > to be hand counted.  In my opinion, that hand count > was flawed in a > bunch of ways...I can even make a pretty good case that the > hand count > was deliberately bungled. > > So now the ballots are back under the control of the Pima > County > treasurer's office, "sentenced to death" by a state law > requiring > destruction of old ballots. > > Lawyers for the Republican party took the lead in arguing > in favor of > their destruction, stating that the legislature wanted to > make sure > elections are not challenged outside of the sole challenge > structure - > a five-day window after each election during which > candidates or > parties can file challenges if they have reason to think > the election > was flawed or fraudulent. > > Lawyers for the Democratic and Libertarian parties argued > otherwise. > They (and I) believe that despite the destruction law, > basic fairness > says that at a minimum, political parties should be able to > look at > those ballots.  Political parties in AZ are the > independent oversight > for elections - not the public as in some states including > California, > and not the candidates as in Tennessee and elsewhere. > > The problem with the five-day challenge window is that in > electronic > voting, it's not possible to do the analysis that > quickly.  In fact, > the Democratic party filed suit in 2007 for electronic > copies of the > raw data files in MS-Access format from that same 2006 > election and > others.  We (despite being Libertarian I was the tech > consultant on > the case) didn't get them until a year and a half later and > when we > did, there was fishy-as-hell stuff in there.  No > "smoking gun" but a > lot of suspicious stuff - like repeatedly reloading memory > cards days > after the election, and a failure to make daily snapshots > of the data > on election night and several days after. > > So, the Democrats argued before Judge Harrington that their > role in > election oversight found in AZ law means they need to have > the ability > to really check out even old elections, especially when the > same > election officials and staff from that election are in > charge now. > > The Republicans (and of course Pima County) claim that > casting doubt > on past elections "undermines the public's perception of > the system" - > they seriously argue that it's BETTER NOT TO KNOW about > election > fraud. > > So I'm in a situation where, in open court, my county's > government is > saying that data found on my laptop, and on the server at > the > Democratic party's attorney Bill Risner (which I'm sysop > for) contains > data about election issues that it's better people not know > about. > > Now ask me again if you think I want the gov't poking > around MY data. > Ask me why I'm using whole-disk-encryption, or why Bill > Risner's law > office is protected by a heavy-duty hardware firewall I > installed? > > Some people DO criticize the government, with damned good > reason. > When we do, we have to be able to protect our data from the > government > or we're just not going to be effective. > > Jim March > Member of the Board of Directors, http://blackboxvoting.org > Member, Pima County Election Integrity Commission approved > by the Pima > County Board of Supervisors (Libertarian party appointee) > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss