All the (junior/entry level network or system administrator) IT positions I looked at in Arkansas had experience as the mandatory requirement of typically no less than three years. Occasionally they would allow a combination of degree and experience. It's a good time to be an employer. On 1/13/12, Brian Weaver wrote: > I know many non-degree system admins at the large, blue in color fortune 500 > company I work for in Chandler. Most were probably hired when the economy > was booming back in the 90s and skilled IT people were in short supply. If > they were applying today I suspect they would have a much harder time > getting in. > > It really comes down the the hiring manager. I've seen managers do their > initial resume screen by throwing out every resume that does not have a 4 > year degree, and I've seen cases where we receive only 3 applications and > everyone gets interviewed. > > > > > > On Jan 13, 2012, at 8:11 AM, Kevin Fries wrote: > >> This requirement comes from the same place as most requirements of this >> ilk. Plausable deny-ability. >> >> - We need a qualified programmer >> >> - HR does not know (and often neither does the hiring manager, or policy >> maker) how to assess programming skills. >> >> By requiring a degree, you can't fire the people that implemented this >> policy... after all, they hired someone qualified, right? Its not their >> fault if the programmer doesn't work out. But without a degree... well >> then what were you thinking. >> >> So... its a CYA move by incompetent people, trying to hire for a skill >> they don't understand. >> >> The last company and current company.I work for both hired on skills and >> treasure their IT staff. They both understand how hard it is to find good >> IT people, and few ever leave. >> >> I look as the manditory IT degree as a sure sign that this is not a good >> company to work for... and I am right more than I'm wrong. >> >> Just my $0.02 >> >> Kevin >> >> On Jan 13, 2012 7:56 AM, "keith smith" wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm wondering if anyone knows where the degree requirement came from for >> developers. >> >> In the early 80's there were very few computer courses available. I >> talked with a guy in about 1988 who told me he was a math major because >> that was the closest thing to a computer science degree in the 70's and >> early 80's. >> >> I read that in the early 80's businesses were offering classes in >> programming. The example I read said the course was 6 weeks long. The >> graduates were give high paying jobs. >> >> The interesting part is I was attending college in the early 80's. At the >> UofA intro to computers was a FORTRAN programming class. Then a class in >> COBOL. It was mostly a business degree with an emphasis on programming. >> >> >> I'm curious if anyone knows why corporate America requires a degree to be >> a programmer. The degree does not open the door. Skills do. >> >> Do system administrators need degrees? >> >> As far as I'm concerned a degree in and of it self means nothing. I've >> worked with and know people who do not have a degree that can run circles >> around some with degrees. >> >> Just curious where that requirement came from. >> >> ------------------------ >> Keith Smith >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss