I really like Arch, but if you're looking for a user-friendly Ubuntu replacement look elsewhere. User friendly desktops distros are a crowded space (Fedora, OpenSuSE, Ubuntu, Mint, etc) and Chakra attempts to bring this concept to a fork of Arch. That being said Arch is specifically designed with KISS principles and a simple (*not* easy) system in mind. Also just fyi Arch is run by a small team so most of the packages you want are probably in AUR, which is a bit like EPEL in RHEL terms. Have a look at Yaourt for a package manager that wraps pacman and aur: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/yaourt On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Michael Butash wrote: > I'm curious to see if it's as broken as ubuntu seems to be these days - > feedback from adopters here appreciated. > > I spent 3 days last week trying to get ubuntu working with 13.10 on a fresh > install, and since they're forcing use of a desktop cd, and not producing > alt installs now, found the install process to be entirely broken. A new > laptop with only EFI boot apparently leaves me few options for > distributions, namely excluding debian which I was going to attempt to > migrate to avoid ubuntu's steady decline in quality/stability. Hopefully > Valve heads this off using the Ubuntu/Debian base. > > I spent the weekend attempting to abandon Ubuntu and learning Arch (or > trying to) after the ubuntu fail, which wasn't exactly easy, and simply > finding just about every step requires some extensive research of packages, > lack of automagical setup, and sadly most any ease found in Ubuntu I've > apparently taken for granted. Not to mention I'm not finding pacman > packages for most things I need/want (doubt Steam is going to be supported > on Arch anytime soon). > > Maybe Valve injecting their two bits around Debian too will help that, but I > doubt it'll support more enterprise-y features like raid, encryption, and > lvm as part of the install features I need. Then again, I wish Ubuntu would > just put it back said features or produce an alt cd again including them > natively until someone fixes their broken desktop installer. > > -mb > > > > On 12/16/2013 08:40 AM, Shawn Badger wrote: > > I don't know how this hasn't made it to the list yet, but Steam released > their Debian based gaming OS. > Here is a link to download it > > http://repo.steamstatic.com/download/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Paul Mooring Operations Engineer Chef --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss