Well said. I was in a union in the 90's. They did nothing for us. Don't forget AZ is a right to work state. In spite of this I see lots of folks living in nice houses, driving nice cars, and go to nice places. Az does well as a right to work state. On 2024-04-25 12:19, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote: > As a software developer of 15 years, I personally would not want a > union, at least not one in a traditional sense. Additionally, I've > never been in a union so maybe my understanding is wrong or outdated, > however my reasoning for not wanting one are: > > * I want my salary/benefits to be based on what I personally can > bring to the table. > > * Similarly to #1, if I and/or my team perform better than the rest > of the company, I want us to be recognized for that _and_ compensated > appropriately. > > * I don't want to start at the bottom of the totem pole at a new > company because I'm the new guy. > > * I don't want to work with people that should have been let go due > to their performance but are effectively being protected by the union. > > * I don't want to be forced to strike because the union is playing > political games that I don't care about. > > There's a time and place for unions; when you're in the top 10% of > national salaries, you're not in a position to need one. > > All that said, I work remotely, for a company that's not based in > Arizona, and therefore am paid relatively well compared to the local > Market. > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, at 11:53 AM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> would it be time to unionize or change the way business is done in >> AZ? >> >> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:50:10 AM MST, trent shipley >> wrote: >> >> No. As a rule software engineers/programmers/developers/computer >> scientists all see themselves as professionals who are above >> unionizing and seldom or never do. I think we're seeing the effect >> of Arizona being a provincial, 3rd world location for headquarters >> and software development options. >> >> It's similar to "we make the chips. We aren't friken good enough to >> DESIGN the chips. They do that in NICE places." >> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:35 AM greg zegan >> wrote: >> >>> Wow! >>> >>> thanks. >>> >>> sure look like they are taking advantage of the Right to work >>> state workers. >>> >>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 09:08:07 AM MST, trent shipley via >>> PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> >>> https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss