Am 16. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss so: > Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms. Everything today is political I did not open a bag of worms. I am very much closing the bag that had already been opened. Discrimination is not acceptable. > and I do not blame folks for having negative opinions on this subject. Discrimination and Auslanderhass ( hate of foreigners ) are not political, they are discrimination and prejudice. This is a technical and community list, not a political list. There are many places on the Internet for politcal trolling, PLUG is not one of them. ciao, der.hans > I agree "People coming from other countries are still people.". However we > let way too many people in. No need to import a bunch of Taiwanese so we can > subsidize Taiwan at the expense of the AMERICAN taxpayer. > > I'll try to stay on course. > > 1. Why did the US Government just subsidize the chip industry? > - I think it was so the folks in congress could grow rich and some think > some of this cash makes it's way back to the those in offices. > 2. How did Nancy Pelosi get so rich? Some think it was the insider trading. > She entered office 30 years ago and was worth $3 million. Today she is worth > $300 million. I think that is why she wanted to be speaker - to direct > policy in such a way to make her rich. Her husband got caught investing in > the chip industry just as congress was voting on the gift they were going to > give to the chip industry. He immediately pulled out of those investments. > > Lets talk about Bill Gates and the H1B system. It is my understanding Gates > is the number one user of H1B. I understand he continues to complain about a > shortage of qualified labor. What has he done to fix the problem? Lobby > Congress for more. > > Why has Gates failed to create the best tech college in the world and > identify the best of the best in AMERICA and train them? > > John F. Kennedy said it best "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You..." > > I know we try to stay away from politics on this list and I know I am > probably one of the most outspoken. We are in a bad place as a nation. If we > stay the course we will lose this country soon. We do not live in a vacuum. > > > > > > > On 2023-07-16 13:26, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> Am 07. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so: >> >> This is highly offensive and completely inappropriate. >> >> People coming from other countries are still people. >> >> PLUG has had members from many countries throughout the group's history. >> We currently have members from several countries. No one should have to >> deal >> with discrimination within our group. >> >> I will ignore the inaccuracy of the statements because being wrong is >> inconsequential compared to the offensiveness. >> >> ciao, >> >> der.hans >> >>> I would not be surprised if the US also happened to grant them a load of >>> H1B visas as part of the deal to do just that, and I'm sure people will >>> line up across the island to get on that gravy train, particularly to >>> escape while they still can before China says No. Like most any one here >>> on visa, they'll drop a kid at first chance, then in like Flynn... >>> >>> I guess someone has to clean the toilets though for local work still, if >>> that isn't roboticized too by now. >>> >>> -mb >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:07 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>> >>>> My younger son worked at the local 3rd Party MVD. He was talking to one >>>> of the TSMC Managers who came in to register a vehicle about the local >>>> jobs >>>> TSMC will create. She assured him that was not the case - most of the >>>> workers will come from Taiwan. >>>> >>>> This may very well be the case if an American won't work in a sweatshop, >>>> but a *Taiwanese will for the opportunity to work in America.* >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> George Toft >>>> >>>> On 6/7/2023 1:59 PM, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's just >>>> someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll probably >>>> hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get all the >>>> people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was working at a company that >>>> got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of the new employees >>>> because they didn't have a structure that worked with professionals. >>>> Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview on CNBC about the need >>>> to >>>> extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough workers. At the very least, >>>> there's plenty of incentive to drive down labor costs. And with the >>>> halts >>>> for new housing going out, there is a LOT of incentive to manipulate the >>>> market. >>>> >>>> Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss < >>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read that >>>>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John Wilkes >>>>> Booth. >>>>> >>>>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a >>>>>> sweatshop.... >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> James McPhee >>>> jmcphe@gmail.com >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >>>> settings:https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "Luckily, this is a comic book, for which no idea is too complex." # -- Larry Gonick from The Cartoon History of the United States