One of the TFUG guys posted that he got a refund for windows from Dell. http://community.linux.com/community/07/01/03/227237.shtml?tid=12 ericİ wrote: My vote is IBM(Lenovo). Tons of community support, very good to excellent hardware support, very good documentation and support from Lenovo. Replaced my Toughbook with a Thinkpad (shh...don't tell Dell, I like my continued stream of paychecks), and haven't regretted it one bit. Stands up to a hell of a lot of abuse. As far as the M$ tax, like others have said, it's extremely difficult to get away from it now. I figured paying a few extra bucks was just part of getting a top-notch box, as well as the support from Lenovo. eric --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Keith Smith A link from my website to yours Submit Your Metro Phoenix Website --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.