Ya know I've posted my needs! People are not reading what I am saying. I DON'T want or can I even use alternatives. If you don't have a shell account that we can talk off list about. Please you're wasting my time. I don't need insults, platitudes or any other whatever you think is necessary. So if you don't know what I said I needed I would suggest you go back to the original post. I have been involved with PLUG for about 4 years now. Hans and Tuna and the gang out west were always a pleasure to meet with for stamtisch's. Yes I trust and verify myself. I'm not looking for trouble or to cause any. Vi^3PP