regulation of information? as long as you are the one to regulate it, right? On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Technomage wrote: > >> Lisa, >> My response was originally to Ryan regarding his initial response per my >> posting. >> >> However, I can take your word for it that the FOIA response since sept >> 2001 has been less than stellar. >> Still, on an issue that affects even "free and open software" for >> governments to take something thats supposed to >> be publically debated and accessible and make it "a metter of national >> security" makes me wonder what they >> are really up to. >> >> Clearly, the current administration is showing an aptitude for these >> kinds of secrecy games not seen since the >> height of the cold war. There is something very wrong in the halls of >> power and it directly affects us all >> in one form or another. >> > > ....but it is a matter of layers of required security. Since you can't > understand it, (just like with technical troubleshooting) obviously you > either have an incorrect premise, or less than sufficient information about > the threats. > > In psychology, black and white (good bad) and ideological defenses (putting > things not understood into political categories), are things people do when > they are being defensive or failing to understand all the issues. > > Do you seriously think that so many people, including Obama, Clinton, all > the presidents since Roosevelt, who, once briefed on current information, > would so radically change their stance, if it was not completely necessary? > > > Have you ever been a hostage, terror, or violent situation? Have you ever > been attacked aggressively? Have you ever been under siege while working as > an IT professional, from packet traffic originating elsewhere in the world? > Have you had the opportunity to interact with German hackers and understand > their mentality toward the USA? > > Well, I have, and I have to consider that the threat warrants a change in > mentality (like the cold war - which never ended only continued in many > ways). > > Do you realize that your name was entered in databases related to "possible > sedition" since the 1980s related to the six degrees of separation from the > people you interact with in the patriot movement in the USA? Do you > realize that the Chinese have sent lead laced toys to the USA on more than > one ocassion that was not immediately caught? Do you realize that since > 1985, you could buy pirated Micro$soft software from Tiwan that included > bios virus? > > Clearly the cold war is upon us. > > I advocate regulation of information use, not "freedom" because, just like > anarchy, it does not work as either an economic system or a political one. > >> >> Lisa Kachold wrote: >> > Right, I believe I got the typical response sometime after 2001. I have >> the >> > form letter, if you would like to have me scan it in. >> > >> > After many years working in IT for the U.S. Army, Veterans >> Administration, >> > U.S.Bank/KeyBank, Telecoms, Nike, ISP's and many ECommerce firms and >> > start-ups, I don't disagree with the process of keeping information >> private, >> > just the vague wording of the letter, but that subject is not exactly >> > on-topic. >> > >> > A long political discussion need not begin: >> > >> > #end >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > > -- > Skype: (623)239-3392 > AT&T: (503)754-4452 > www.it-clowns.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com