All, Since Society has changed, and people who used to have a great deal of time and resources are scrambling to take lower quality jobs, or second contracts to feed their families, politics is of great importance. Politics has always been a big subject for Unix/Linux-ites. I suggested that we add a non-archived list expressly for the purpose of political discourse. Of course that suggestion was NEVER VOTED On! On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM, keith smith wrote: > > Not your fault Mike. It could have easily been something else! > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On *Wed, 6/12/13, Michael Havens * wrote: > > > From: Michael Havens > Subject: Re: Off Topic Discussions > To: nathan@nmecs.com, "Main PLUG discussion list" < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> > Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:56 PM > > honest.... whaat was posted that started this tirade was an accident. I > meant to share the company that rejects the sharing of our web activities. > :-)~MIKE~(-: > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Nathan England > > wrote: > > On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 01:06:44 PM Ted Gould wrote: > Wonderful, and your blog is a great place for that. I support you being > outspoken about the issues in your private space. But the PLUG list is a > communal space, and with that comes certain communal norms. For instance: > no > shoes, no shirt, no service. That establishes norms for certain areas that > contain that banner. Certainly it restricts your freedom, but it is also > about someone establishing norms in a space to encourage a more diverse > set of > participants. > > Ted > > What is ironic is we have destroyed the community of the PLUG. I have been > on > this list for over 10 years. Through that time I have come to know many > people > whom I consider friends. While the list may have a specific focus, since > the > beginning, us friends used this list to communicate all kinds of things > that > we cared about and we shared it with eachother through the list as a means > for > creating a group discussion rather than just between a few of us. > > Society has changed. In our vast attempt to be open minded of everyone else > and tolerant, almost entirely pushed by the LGBT groups, no one is > tolerant of > anything and no one is allowed to say anything for fear of offending > someone > else. You know, we have a freedom of speech in this country and not every > word > spoken is hateful though it may personally offend *you*. > > Grow up. Put your big boy pants on and stop whining! This isn't the third > grade anymore. I have opinions and a right to share them. You have opinions > and whether I agree with them or not I want to hear them! > > God forbid someone challenge someone. I have a strong foundation and I know > what I believe, but you telling your opinion about something that I do not > agree with does not shake my foundation so much that I get upset and I can > no > longer think for my self. I value other peoples opinions, otherwise I would > not share my own. > > When Obama was elected the first round he stated he wanted his cabinet to > be > filled with people who did not agree with him. I thought it was a > brilliant > idea! What better than a large group of advisors who will share differing > opinions. Of course, later we found out the advisors were nothing more than > large contributors to his campaigns and he was repaying them for their > deeds. > What a loser. > > If we cannot share our opinions then I formally request this list become > moderated so that no one might accidentally offend the weak minded on this > list. > > Nathan > > -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown